The Death Drive of the Perlin-Tepoe Discussion

Todd: I think it's interesting because when I first read the seminar, I'm like, well, here Lacan is more conformist. And later when he introduces the real, he's a little more rat, or he's a lot more radical. He has this development from imaginary symbolic to real to real. It seems like that seems like a teleological progression, but it's very much, there are all these circuitous, you know, movements within and what we're trying to find as we go back is where are the quilting points?"