What if the greatest lever for impact isn’t found in strategies or institutions, but in the quality of our relationships? In this inaugural episode of The Relational Podcast, David Jay talks with renowned network leadership expert Jane Wei-Skillern about how shifting our mindset from organizational control to relational trust can unlock transformative change.

Drawing from decades of research at Harvard, Stanford, and UC Berkeley, Jane shares powerful stories of leaders who chose humility over ego, trust over control, and community over individual success. Together, David and Jane explore the principles that set successful networks apart:

Mission before organization
Trust, not control
Humility, not brand
Constellations, not stars

Through thoughtful insights, personal reflections, and compelling poetry, this conversation invites listeners to rethink leadership and embrace relationality as a path toward lasting impact.

A big shout-out to the Wasan Network for bringing us together - especially Meg Busse, Rachel Sinha, Christine Lai and Melanie Kahl, facilitators of the “Making the Case for Relationality” huddle. We appreciate your role in fostering this conversation. Thank you for tuning in!

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Conceived and co-created during a Wasan Network small group in partnership with Huddlecraft. Wasan is a global network of social impact and philanthropy practitioners who believe that relationships sit at the center of social change. Learn more: https://www.wasan-network.org/

Production and dissemination by Efecto Colibrí: Efecto Colibrí blends storytelling, social innovation, and the power of relationships to produce and distribute original and partner podcasts that bridge communities and sectors, shift mindsets, and spark action toward a more just, diverse, and regenerative future. https://efectocolibri.com/en/

Artwork by Anjali Chandrashekar. https://anjalic.com/About

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