I think there's two versions of the case. One is like you go with the full-scale simulation hypothesis where we've actually been in a virtual world from the very beginning. Then I want to say, yeah, real apples are virtual apples, our digital apples. There have been apples here all along. They've just been digital apples. That's what we mean by apple. You're saying if it turns out we're living in the simulation and our entire reality is let's say a computer simulation, we just don't realize it, right? Yeah. In that case, well, then virtual apples are not the same as physical apples. But again, just as real.

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