Lukewarm: So you have a newsletter called anti-memetic that I subscribe to. And it's where you explore how people can maybe mitigate the downsides of mimetic desire and get some of those good things in their lives. One way you propose people can do this is by cultivating what you called thick desires. Lukewarm: Walk us through, what's the difference between a thick desire and a thin desire? You could think of a thin desire as this fleeting, temporary, ephemeral, relatively superficial kind of desire That is here today and gone tomorrow.

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