I think that these things were within bounds for the social and sexual mores of the time, but also those mores were bad. I sure do wish that we had conversations that also accounted for this experience of celebrities. It's an interesting portrait because it's a man talking about his weight and a man who's talking about his feelings to things that were not sort of encouraged for men to do at that time. And he does bury all of those feelings in so many jokes, so much weird, like sort of misogyny of the time,. racism of thetime, all of that kind of stuff. But then there are these little moments where you see how Johnny Carson is treating him, where you

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