Right. I mean, like, you know, if it's 50 50, then, you know, a coin flip for very high stakes is more than non-degenerate gamblers usually want to undertake risk wise. And there's no safe path for either candidate anymore. There's not going to be any security unless there's some really surprising development, and we're running out of time for that to happen.

Yeah. And it's clear that the Democrats are really taking this seriously. You have former President Barack Obama campaigning for Kamala Harris in Pennsylvania. Maybe they're now, maybe Nate, maybe they're now regretting the decision to not have Shapiro on the ticket. Because we've talked about this ad nauseum. But they're trying to do everything they can. Obama's one of their big guns. And this is another segment, but we can talk a little bit about like whether, you know, his messaging is effective, like what's happening. But I think there is some panic there. There's some panic that she's losing the black vote. And like all of these things. Not losing the black vote, losing,

doing less well. So the New York Times poll, Trump is getting 15% of the black vote, fairly undecided among black voters. But doing less well than Democrat typically does.

Yes, that was that was very poorly stated on my on my side. Yes. Not losing the black vote, but doing relatively less well. And in states like Pennsylvania, every single point matters. Right. Like we have talked about this over and over. Like this is a close election. Everything matters. Undecided voters matter. And yeah, people are clearly taking it seriously. And, you know, on the one hand, you have Elon Musk jumping up and down on stage. On the other hand, you have Barack Obama. Go ahead. I

don't know, man. I don't know. He's got a little high off the fumes there. Good old Elon.

i don't wonder like don't

you understand that politics kind of cringe you know anyway um but like i think people tend to read these things like oh kamal harris is going on joe rogan she must be desperate it's like well she probably should have been doing more of this all along, right? She should have gone on Joe Rogan,

yeah, long ago. If you'll have her. Yeah. And the All In podcast, right? After Trump went on, she should have absolutely got on. There are big media appearances that she should have absolutely done earlier.

Yeah. Look, people read this as, oh, he must be desperate. It's like, well, I don't know. I mean, you're supposed to do campaigning, right? That's a normal thing that you do i think they had a period where they just thought they'd ride the uh charlie xcx bratsummer magic vibes carpet ride straight to the white house um and that's not how usually it works i mean she's at an electoral college disadvantage and, and, you know, Trump throws a lot of shit out there. Um, you know, you've had much more outspoken support for Trump among certain groups of voters. The vibes are different. I think, um, if you read kind of some of the, um, backstory of the part of Silicon Valley, it's not all Silicon Valley. It's probably isn't most right. Um, but you know, part of what people have been trying to do in Silicon Valley is to say, it's okay to openly support Trump and that will create a permission structure for others to support him too. And so, you know, Twitter is a very different platform than it was four years ago. The mood is different. I think ironically, the fact that people seem like a little bit less pissed off as they were in 2020, maybe Democrats like actually want apocalyptic thinking where people are like, OK, but yeah, I know I think one femoral problem Democrats have is it's hard to say that every election is the most important election of all time without without voters starting to wonder if you just always say that.

Yep. And on that note, let's see what happens next week, because this is one of the most important elections of all time. As we've talked about, you know, we've talked about P-Doom, we've talked about, you know, this is going to matter for a lot of different things. And yeah, let's just see what the updates show next week. And Elon Musk, please, please stop making us watch you jump up and down on stages. Thank you very much. That's a personal plea from one of the co-hosts

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