I'm deeply uncomfortable when it comes to the racial aspect of it, where people just go right. It's not as if you're building a society and you're saying that this group of people aren't welcome because they have these type of immutable characteristics. And yeah, I've had people on my show who are Afro-Kas from South Africa but don't really have anywhere else to live. They can't go back to Holland. You know what I mean? There's a real problem with that. But it's one way of solving their problems. So, it's a highly functional society in a sea of absolute chaos. And that's, you know, one way. The

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