The best cases I find are so far looking at ones where you're just having a do a task for you, but you're still going to be the editor and the gut check of all the things. So we were joked about or we used to title a, a episode of ours when we couldn't come up with a good title for one of the podcast episodes. Cause it's just like, here's a litany of ideas and you get to pick and then you alter and you sort of move from there.