The Pendulum Can Swing

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I feel like we can't rest on our laurels because it is all kind of up for grabs but I see very conservative like and anti-progressive tendencies also that are very strong as well so yeah I just don't know. The despair I feel about the direction politics is going is actually quite specifically European and America and North America Ireland is a bit of a shining light in that, he says.

Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May.

Producer Note: You'll notice a slight change in Katherine's audio in the second half of the podcast. This is just due to a necessary 'source switch', where we had to change where her recording was coming from. Your ears will adjust very quickly but apologies for the ever so slight dip. Thank you!

This week Katherine talks to Emma Dabiri, author of Don’t Touch My Hair and What White People Can Do Next.

What begins as a conversation about Emma’s new-found commitment to appreciating all the seasons - not just summer - becomes something else entirely. Emma is one of our most agile thinkers and fearless speakers, and soon she is talking about everything from race and class to how we should think about the world right now. A thread of belonging runs through it all - how we seek and find it, how complicated our identities have become, and why it matters.

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