The techniques that the Soviet Union used to make sure people broke, which I did, you know, discuss extensively in this book, were very clever. We're talking about living from morning to night in constant fear. And at night, you don't know who's going to turn who against each other. Mike Bloomberg was mayor of New York City and he had a ban on how big the sodas you can get at 7-Eleven was. The size of the soda is not the issue in North Korea. So I think these glib hand-wavings are things that I find uncomfortable. It doesn't even have to be as extreme as like, we're going to kill your child

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