So i would say, most likely, a genetic component there is very strong, as i's not something you can really see in times of after its performance, or that you might be able to change oter time. I think that's an important difference with resting our trade, and modivates the use of a chenve more as this day to day fit. The clop. Some

time a few months ago, i brote a blonk post led, what gets measured gets over emphasized. I approach every thing from a coach's perspective, and it's just one thing i've noticed i if you give athletes some sort of test, they will automatically seek improvement in that test. And it could be something that's completely irrelevant to their sport. And yet, such as it's human nature. You coud give an ultra marathon runner a max bench press test, and if you haven't repeated every six weeks, they will. They will move heaven and earth to improve their bench press. Well, obvosly o is important. You know, data. Data has the potential, like a h r v to b extremely useful. But that potential isn't actualized unless it's understood and contextualized. And i know that you put a lot of emphasis on that. You're not just trying to sell aps. Youre trying to help athletes and others get healthier and fitter. Where are you in that, in that journey of trying to make h r v a yno? To get back to hannah's experience, where it was just sort of a net negative for her, the

potential is clearly there. But jus, we really need to set athletes up for success when they're tracking metrics like that. Yunderson, i think indeed that is one of the main issues, together with all the historical issues of echerve, of just having many different ways to measure it, men in different times, many dfferent metrics that you could derive from it. So many inconsistencies. So that just the scientific part. And dinin tipes of the tool, we build issues in there also with a typical approach of higher inspector, which drives people that they should get better numbers, while most likely you arenot. Just stay wherever you are and try to have a more stable profide, for examples, of very boring little changes over time, instead of, you know, jumping up and down in response to a sort of stressers. And, yot, my end. Actualy, i think what i tried to do the most in the past year or two has been to get educational material out, try to explain these things, because, ye, there is potential. But i see also it is easily misused, or how people get sometimes too cagt into the numbers, as you say. And you know, the you have uses that writ memas where they are annoyed that in our ap you can measure only once, because they want to measure the horv every second of their life. And ilike that is exactly the opposite what we should be doing. And clearly, i'm not communicating something rig because, you know, the tele point is actually, for this lass, is more one datta point, either the night, like the vo porora, or in the morning, like warop, gives you a snapshot of resting physiology. And then your running nervous system is continuasly changing. Because anything you do will reflect a change. As a matter of fact, even if you just have coffee or just go for a light walk, like all sorts of things will alter your physiology transitory way. That does not matter. Like that is not something relevant, is not actul it's not something you can do anything about, or you should do anything about. So that's why we should really limit these kind of measurements and assessments to the minimum that is meaningful for your goal, which is normally either to keep things in balance a bit better, or to optimise the trurning process and all that. So i think slowly we try to get there. In times of explaining these things, it's complicated because in the past fwe years, there've been also, let's say, larger companies that have a broader reach, in a way, help in getting awareness nthese aspect, so that, you know, people know that echvs a thing, and it reflects important aspects of your health. Bu the same time, everybody does it a bit differently, because everybody needs somewhat to differentiate, or to pretend they differentiate, in a way of the other. So, you know, it gets a bit more massy. But i think that's also why, personally, i started work with orar in the past two years as well, so that it is not, again, about the apor the method, is more about trying to have a common understanding of how we can do this, and what are the benefits, what are the limitations of each different method, and then people can learn from that and see what works best for them in times of tracking the rest isology and potentially making changes that cannot them in their handsome performance.