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Maggie Haberman on 2024

Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

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Is Donald Trump a Clown or a Buffoon?

I think that people rationalize his behavior is to sort of treat him like a joke and treat him dismissively. He commands a serious strain of voter, a serious percentage of voters in the Republican Party. I don't know that Ron DeSantis, if he runs, is going to go after Trump that aggressively. So it's going to take more than that. Look, Trump has seemed different to me in the sense that his heart has not seemed in it. That's the way it's been so far. If it does change and his heart gets in it, I think he's still, he's still a formidable contender.

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