Navigating Pragmatism in the Age of Trump

Sophy Ridge guest hosts this episode with a look ahead to Keir Starmer's meeting with Donald Trump next week.

He was already going to have a tightrope to walk as the potential bridge between the new White House administration and an out-of-favour Europe - but how will the PM handle the President's comments about Volodymyr Zelenskyy?
  
Joining Sophy is Gabriel Pogrund, Whitehall editor of the Sunday Times. He's also co-author of the book `'Get In: The Inside Story of Labour Under Starmer'. They discuss how Starmer might handle the conversations, and what the PM's team is doing to prepare for the trip.         
 
Producers: Soila Apparicio, Laura Fitzpatrick 
Editor: Paul Stanworth