For many years, the prevailing theory was not actually that, or one prevailing theory, t depends on who you're talking to. And so at that point, like, i know it's kind of weird, but was meditation effective? Yes, science just wasn't aware of it, right? So this is what i think we see: Some traditions of of ouno healing have been saying that there are effective interventions for particular things. Now, there's no debate that meditation is effective for all kinds of crap. But the point is that, like, science was slow, right? Like science, like, it's been effective for thousands of years. It's not like something magical happened.