Penn Jillette
Off The Beat with Brian Baumgartner
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What Matters More Than Tricks and Jokes?
"I don't think that can be separated. I believe and teller too that what matters is the ideas," he says. "When we're at our best, we start with an idea that we share that's in our hearts" He adds jokes last because they are more important to him than tricks or words.
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