This is the Jocko Underground podcast number 159 sitting here with Echo Charles and we've got some questions and some answers for the people. Cool.

Let's get into it. We ready. Okay, good. First question. Hello, sir. I recently retired from the National Guard. I was a very successful recruiting leader even after COVID. All my success came from using your leadership concepts. As I'm trying to figure out my next step, I can't help to see on the news the recruiting issues our military is having. I believe the answer is in leadership. I'm sending this. I'm sending the message because I would love to be able to impact this need and need guidance on how or where to start. Any thoughts would be

greatly appreciated. Right on. First of all, say this in the past couple days maybe past week or so recruiting numbers are back up so there's some new leadership in the military there's some new leadership in the government and it seems like that is helping our recruiting numbers so it seems like we're moving in the right direction there But that being said, I'm sure if you were a good recruiter while you were in, I'm sure you'd still bring some value. And so what I would do honestly is look for job opportunities in that environment. So I real quick went to usajobs.gov. There's a website where you can apply for civilian jobs. And there was a bunch of jobs on there. Training officer. These are civilian jobs. Training officer for the National Guard. Human resources assistant. What is a human resources assistant you think they do? Recruiting has got to be in there. A public affairs for the National Guard need it. Again, these are civilian positions that you could get into as a government employee working with the National Guard as a public affairs officer. So think about that. If you're working public affairs and you're out there, what are you doing? You're basically, you can do a lot of recruiting. And then there's a bunch of other ones. I mean, there's the Intel officer mechanic or like, you know, target repair. There's a bunch of other types of jobs. But what I'm saying is you retired from the National Guard. There are opportunities to still work in inside the system. So in the SEAL teams, like at Tradet, we have a deputy ops guy that's a civilian. So he was in the teams, most of the times he was in the teams, and retired from the teams, and then gets a job as a civilian. So that way, because military people move around so much, you need some continuity there. You need someone there that has eight, 10 years worth of knowing the training sites, knowing the issues we're going to face, knowing how to deal with this, that, and the other thing. That's why you have these civilians. It's the same thing in basic skill training. There's civilians that work there that keep the continuity together. So that's what I would do if I were you. I would look for recruiting type jobs if they come up, but also just public affairs jobs training officer jobs human resources jobs Because I think all those would probably lend you to an opportunity where you'd be able to carry on your career in the National Guard But as a civilian So that's what I would do.