What's the Story That Gets Us Through the Pandemic?

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Richard Haas: What will have happened in most into winning decades that would make us a little bit more optimistic? He says technological breakthrough, just like the mRNA vaccine and Zoom, finally enough to got us through the pandemic. And America is in much better shape than it was 30 years ago; perhaps people are living up to their obligations. Richard Haas: No single change, but a center of change is a realization that things really are going off the rails.

Richard Haass is a veteran American diplomat, statesman, and author. He is president of the Council on Foreign Relations, and served as Special Assistant to President George H. W. Bush and as Director of Policy Planning at the State Department in the administration of President George W. Bush. His most recent book is The Bill of Obligations: The Ten Habits of Good Citizens.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Richard Haass discuss the structural challenges, missed opportunities, and poor choices of the last thirty years; the arc of American foreign policy from Vietnam to Iraq; and how civic-minded Americans can effect positive change at a moment of crisis.

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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