I think this is such an important aspect of your work, as you basically argue that nationalism is a sort of a boot loader for democracy. You have to go through these stages, and you have to have a period where you cohere around the story of a nation. I know in your past work, you've talked about the importance of language in doing that. And something i tink hear fom ooften all is that, yes, the map is not the territory, but once you have a map, that map starts to terraform the territory. Our stories about the world start affecting the mississippi. Yes, they become the most powerful thing in the world.
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