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Jon Ronson on Empathy, Culture Wars, and Finding Community

The Daily Stoic

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What's the Difference Between Forgiveness and Justice?

I'm going to write about this. Im about stot things fell apa, very small stad show in briton. And what? Everything i just sent to you, i've been meaning to write about. I see a tom wosa man in foll behind you. Yebrate doaerete o man. How interesting. People keep phoning me. Hang n the second brenda wil finish hin quite soon. Anyway, i hope nothing bad's happened. No, i don't think so. I haven't got any. My last question for youis how is it changed your relationship or understanding of words like forgiveness or justice, or how are those two things related

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Wordall i would
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say, generally, our social dynamics should not resemble the dynamics of prison wherever possible,
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right? Ye. I'm going to write about this. Im about stot things fell apa, very small stad show in briton. And what? Everything i just sent to you, i've been meaning to write about. I'm going to write about that
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wi love that i did. I see a tom wosa man in foll behind you. Yebrate doaerete o man. I think it's right there on the middle. Sa
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is, you know, i never read it. I bought it in in a frenzy of enthusiasm after enjoying the bonfire the vanities. I don't think i ever read it. It's
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an incredible book. It's, it's actually about stoicism,
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ok? Iand
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now, actually, now you have to read it, because one of the characters gets wrongly imprisoned, and then that's where he's introduced cism. How
Speaker 1
interesting. Yes, lovely, but ok, i'll read ito, listen to the odio book. People keep phoning me. Hang n the second brenda wil finish hin quite soon. Anyway, i hope nothing bad's happened.
Speaker 2
No, i don't think so. I haven't got any. My last question for youis, just as as you've thought about all this stuff, how is it changed your relationship or understanding of words like forgiveness or justice, or how are those two things related to each other? Like, hen someone does something abhorrent or unethical, let's say, in jonah burgess, or jonah lair's case, orr, does something a stupid or mean, or how do you think about accountability, justice, and then also forgiveness?
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Well, i, i suppose the, you know, always, you always think as has i been a victim, like the thing tato ye did is, though, a victim. I mean, y lor, like i. So that's so, i i feel much less, i feel less forgiving of somebody whe whe theres one as a victim. Am, you know, on a personal leven im, i'm big enouh, not perfect. Like, i bear grudges. If people, you know, have behaved badly towards me, i'll bear grudges. So, i kno you know, i haven't reached, reached the level of self actualization. Ah ba i i. But broadly, i certainly in my work, and as much as i possibly can in my personal lifei i. And it gets easier as you get older, you are trying to be pathetic and kind and forgiving. I had a big fight with some one this morning, and i think the reason why the fight didn't escalate was because i remembered to em i remembered the, i got on your nurses, like every evry self help book, you know, but i remembered that, you know, they were coming from some difficult place, and why they were yelling. And iill remembered that, and then it's easier to to, to not retreat to your corner. And i think, you know, i think that very much about shoyve been publicly shamed, and also the last days of august, which was a podcast i made about the death of a pornstar, august ames. And when somebody spirals on twitter, very often the's something else going on in my life. And i think that stop something that we forget when we pile in on someone.

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