Sally Kohn: Part of what you're battling with the time thing, I think, is okay. If you don't have that container that says it's expected and okay and supported, part of the quote rush to get it over with quickly is potentially financial for a lot of people. But a whole bunch of it also is just social expectation. And so it's easier to be absent when you are absent when you're not kind of around folks for whom they're routine, you've kind of left.Kohn: Did you all ever do a sabbatical abroad? Did you leave your hometown or just didn't know?

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