I wouldn't elevate it to argument. I think arguments are productive, especially when they're done in good company. It seems almost like we are having a conversation between optimism and pessimism. For me, I've always said pessimists sound smart and optimists make money. Now of course, my position is that of rational optimism. When I put rational in front of it to avoid the panglass. Nice. You have optimists, yeah. Or Dr. Panglass from Candide. This is the best of all best possible worlds. I don't believe any of that at all. There are serious problems that we face now. We'll face in the future. Problems are

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