Is Vertical Integration a Good Idea?

Sashore's example for a signifier is the tree. Deliz wrote a book called Proost and Signs, and they're very much on the side of the sign because they think the sign is productive. So that's part of their whole thing as well. Lacan refutes that same example, right, when he tries to explain a signifier in the instance. And so I think for him, the signifier is much more about this internal split for Lacan and for his, for Sashore, it's about, more about representation. But you're right that they're attacking both of those ideas by choosing a tree,. Yeah, of course.