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Jon Meacham on How the Trump Fever Breaks

The New Yorker Radio Hour

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The Importance of Engagement in the Stakes

John Avlon: Trumpism was not inevitable unless you go back to an elemental argument about human nature, which is that power is all. I am more skeptical of the long term Republican complicity in Trumpism for this reason. Avlon: Joe Biden read my book American Gospel 15 years ago and showed me some laminated cards he had in his pocket with quotations from the book. He's a good friend; we became friendly but my view of engagement has changed.Avlon: Did any of this make you feel uncomfortable? Because for journalists, you could be, you know, for somebody or again somebody, editorially, in the obvious way, but to be writing speeches, speaking at a

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