When we had that horrible tragedy and they died of a fiery death in there but didn't take long because the temperature in there was 2000 degrees. I think I heard something in a matter of seconds. And so it was quick, but we did hear the screams of Roger Shaffey saying, get us out of here or something like that. The first launch of that spacecraft that redesigned door and everything was Apollo seven with Wally Charar. It was just a suborbital flight to just say, Hey, you know, how is this thing working?"

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