i think one of the things, in any context, when you're bringing people together to talk about taboo subjects, it's awkward. And i remember in that first dialogue, i started crying because of my own kind of relationship to race and feeling overwhelmed by the whole thing. As a moderator, you were creating a safe space for others, and to have your own emotions kind of get all wrapped in, all of a sudden i was in needing the participants to take care of me. So is, i mean, it shifts the burden. But alsoo mention, you can that these conversations o be had in one of the keys is in asay space. Modelling vulnerability is almost a prerequisite

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