Kerry: I think decoupling is some wishful thinking. In an ideal world when you have two players like America and China where their values, their sort of view of themselves, their egotism in different ways is so fundamentally incompatible. A divorce like that is not possible because climate change, pandemics, global issues, they either get sold by everyone together or they don't get sold at all. We just have to find a way of devying up this situation so that we can work where we can with each other and at other places just we don't work.

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