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Introduction
Holly Hrenden: In the 15th, we talk with artist and writer James McElvoy. He's joined us from an island called Egana, where he lives in the middle of the Sironic Gulf. His book The Series of Being is about technology and ecology in the broadest possible terms. This podcast is completely ad-free and only possible through listener support. Please visit patreon.com slash interdependence to help fund our show.