I've worked with Justin Folk. I know Justin Folk and no one would say that he want to work, you know, want talk to him. Justin, I think got his start. He can correct me if I'm wrong. When I was getting my start as a commentator doing my Clavin on the Culture videos for PJTV, what made those videos work as well as they did, and they really did work gangbusters, was that Justin was not only directing them, but also animating them. And so I was working very closely with them. And after years of rehab and psychotherapy, I've gotten over that experience so that I can almost face, you may notice I get a little twitch when I talk to him, but aside from that, Justin, it's good to see you, pal. I have to tell you, I am not surprised at all to see you turning out what looks a great film.

Thanks, Andrew. Thanks for having me on. And I'm sorry for bringing up the PTSD and making you suffer through this all over again. No, listen, I mean, yeah, we got into this, we seem to kind of get into this together. And here we are years later looking back. And I really actually look back fondly to what we did together on Clavin, on the culture. We really kind of got this political commentary stuff going. Your monologues were always dead on. I mean, they still are, but I just really appreciated that time of being able to be creative in the war of ideas. And we still are. We still get to do that. But that was a really great experience and a growing experience for me and Really really value those years and kind of looked up to you as a creative mentor in a lot of ways so all thanks for that that's

you know ruins my reputation, but There's kind of you to say and you know, I don't think it is bragging at all to say that those videos Changed the way people did commentary and really set a new tone on the right which I was really proud of. And you know, when I, I was hired away from PJ by Glenn Beck and I love Glenn to death, but he wouldn't bring you with him. I said, you don't understand. It's not me doing these videos. It's me and Justin and those, they never worked again as like they did when you were doing them. And it just, it was, it was great work. It really was. And you drove me insane, as you can see. But I think-

I'm glad we could fill up with you. Yeah, exactly.

So let's talk about this. This is really, I mean, first of all, you have Matt Walsh, who walks into these situations. He seems to be unflappable as he goes in to confront these people. How do you feel about that? Because you always had a strain of that yourself. You used to tell me about some of the pranks you would pull on people. And I won't say them because I know the police, there's still warrants out for you in several states. But you really have no qualms about going into these situations. It's

just a lot of fun. I mean, you're right. I mean, I think the statute of limitations is worn off on some of those things. But I always enjoyed sort of challenging authority and in doing so just sort of like getting into places and situations that maybe I shouldn't be and challenging authority. And it's great to make a living at it now, honestly. And really, when you look at it, it's the left that is the authority today. I mean, they control all the major institutions. They run academia and the media and everything else. And so it's a real opportunity for me to sort of be that same guy I used to be, have some fun, have some laughs, but actually do maybe some good work and attack some bad ideas. And Matt has just been a phenomenal partner and all that. We basically share the same sense of humor. And in a lot of ways, we encourage each other and embolden each other a bit, although he is a stone cold killer in those moments. And-

He needs treatment. There's no Yeah,

exactly. But I'm happy to provide the playground for him to play in. And so far it's turned out pretty well. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff we can't talk about that I kind of wish we could, but it's just been a lot of fun. It's been challenging, but it's been a lot of fun. So

you walk into these places where they're selling this idea that they're going to sort of cure your whiteness or I I still Don't understand. I asked waltz about it. He couldn't explain it either. What exactly is that they're offering as a service? What do you what are you looking at? What are you seeing that? Were you stunned shock surprised or just you expected it? Yeah,

you hear about this stuff. But when you see it playing out in the real world, the way these people think, it does set you back a moment. You're like, wow, these people are serious right now. And the ideas they're pushing, the sort of pseudo kind of neo racist ideas that they're, they're essentially corporatizing these ideas and feeding them to people. And the thing that surprises me the most is that there are people out there that are just willing to accept these ideas and go along with it for some kind of sense of virtue, I don't know, because it's absolute nuttiness and madness and racism in a different form, truly. And so getting Matt into, for example, a support group workshop where they're talking about white grief, how to grieve your white privilege, essentially, you would think that like, we made that up, like, like, we conjured that, but it's a real thing. And all we had to do is convince them for to allow us to film it and then just sort of parachute Matt Walsh into the situation. And so it was a lot of fun, but it is eye opening once you meet these people in person hear what they actually have to say. And, and ultimately, that was our idea. I mean, let's just show Americans and show the public what these people are preaching and what they're trying to force down all of our throats and in doing so I think you know, Hopefully it it basically sends a message to America. This needs to stop So is

is it difficult to shoot something like this because you're basically shooting it as a documentary? How creative can you get and what what are you thinking when you walk in to that those scenes? Well,

we know there's no second takes. And there's a lot that goes into these things, right? There's sometimes months of preparation to get this all set up and just right and to have sort of the buy-in from them and the crew and everything just needs to really work and you're not gonna get a second chance. And so the thing I credit Matt for is he actually does prepare well. He really does think this stuff through. And so obviously my crew guys are all total pros and I can totally count and rely on them. But we also need to know like what we're going to do when we get in there, what Matt is going to do. And so it's almost like a choose your own adventure ahead of time. We kind of lay out what might happen in these situations, how we're going to pivot if this happens versus this, and essentially have a plan where Matt can sort of navigate whatever comes up because we truly don't know what these people are going to do or what they're if they're going to recognize Matt within the first minute, if they're not gonna recognize him, just all these different scenarios that we sort of, we role play those ahead of time so that Matt's ready to go. But yeah, just the clockwork between the technical team and then with Matt and our preparation, it's not easy, but I think we have a great team and I think we pulled off some great stuff in this case. When

we started out, basically, there was Andrew Breitbart, and that was it. Breitbart went around like the Pied Piper and collected all of the conservative talent in California, and then PJTV poached all the people that he found, because they could pay us, and Andrew couldn't, and we went over there, and we started doing this, and there really wasn't anything else like us around at that moment. Now, obviously, the left has gone insane, and they're doing things that are unbelievable, even we could not have expected them to do, but there's also a much, we have a much bigger voice. Or that's my impression. We have a much bigger voice than we did. How do you feel about that? Do you feel that we've in some ways made progress or do you feel it's all been a rear guard action?

No, I think there's a real path that's been cleared here. And I think, you know, that that path was forged with the stuff that was being done there at PJTV and some of the other things going on. I look at that and I'm amazed still to this day who was coming in and out of those doors. Yeah, it's really incredible. And here we are, some of us were kind of coming from the entertainment industry, you were, I was, other people were just kind of getting started. And it's really amazing to look back at it kind of like, there was really, we were starting from the ground level there. And now we're no longer on the ground level. Conservatives are no longer on the ground level when it comes to this kind of thing. And so if you're a newcomer to this, I think they will say, hey, they're going to look back in the shadow of Andrew Clavin and be like, yeah, guys like that cleared the way, created this opening. Of course, that all coincided with the technology and with what was going on with social media and this new media that had been created. So in a lot of ways, you know, we were kind of lucky. I look at myself as kind of lucky for being at the right place, the right place, the right time. But it also took a lot of talent and hard work. And, you know, I'm thankful to be a part of it. And I really appreciate what everybody's sort of gone on to do, like you said, in the shadow of Breitbart.

now, and 80% of it is doing stuff that literally did not exist when I started my career. All I wanted to do was write books. And now, I look at these things that I've done, and I just think, wow, that stuff, I couldn't have imagined doing it. I couldn't have wanted to do it. It couldn't have been my ambition because it wasn't there. Looking ahead, I mean, now you've got so much more technical knowledge than I do because you're in the technical side of this, and you're in the place where the technical side meets the creative side. What do you see going forward? What do you think the opportunities are for the young? Justin folk, he's you know, he's waiting outside the door. He's just thinking that's what I want to do. What would you tell him? Is the next big thing? Well,

I mean the biggest thing is to get the craft, to develop that craft, because it doesn't matter what the technology is. It doesn't matter what's out there, you know, right now or 10 years from now or 10 years ago, you just have to be good at what you do. You have to be a good storyteller, you got to be a good communicator. And so I would say, listen, you're gonna find that right, whatever that is, whatever that platform is, whether it's a film, whether it's a podcast, whatever it is, there's going to be ways for you to get your message across. But your message damn well better be good. And to do that, you just have to do, you have to make, you have to go out and make things. And not everything is going to be a winner, but you have to develop that craft. And so that's what I would tell them is, listen, the technology stuff is just a, it's a very expensive recording device, but that's all it is. So we need to go out and be good at what we do. And almost the way the left has always been good at storytelling up until now, now they're humorless and insufferable, but no, but we can take that baton and run with it. But we have to be good at storytelling and doing what we do, technically speaking, and in a sense of being good storytellers.

People don't know, realize how much of a movie is made in the editing room and how much of it is constructed. Now, if you're doing a fiction piece, you tell the actor, I'm gonna need this shot, I'm gonna need that shot, please do it five more times. Or if you're Jeremy, please do it 57 more times. And then you have stuff to cut, because it's not gonna come a point when you go, oh, I need him smiling, but I don't have him smiling. You got all that. You only have one take here, as you said. What is the editing process like? Harder or is it easier because you have less to work with?