As she's having the sort of rise to spiritual leader, startam that's happening pretty slowly over the course of the eighties. Shes like giving this quote a couple of times about how she suspects eleanor roosevelt would have made a bigger impact if she'd just worn make up. In the late eighties, she cofounds the centre for living, which focused on providing services like guided meditation, massage, meals,. That kind of thing to people with terminal illnesses. And particularly it's focused on people with h i v and aids. But around this time, this is like now the early nineties, there has been a big staff and board clash, especially over