Pundits like Joe Rogan have the largest audience right now somewhere between 12 to 14 million people is the estimate that I've heard and you go back. It's like it was never like this parabolic increase like you saw with jet chat GP and it can't because it's like picking a friend like they have to get to know you and it takes time. So what happens is like I'm talking about an end podcasting in general will continue to grow inside of podcasting. The number of on-demand audio for education For professional education for entrepreneurs who are doing this type of shows is extremely small. That's saying you can't learn from them all at once. Highly suspect Patrick

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