Verifiable AI: Don't Trust, Verify

Mark Suman, co-founder of Maple AI and OpenSecret, shares his insights on how to build cutting-edge AI without sacrificing user privacy.

From secure enclaves and attestation to real-world use cases in law and finance, Mark outlines the technical and ethical foundations of private AI, and why efficient inference, not just open models, is the next big frontier.

IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00:00 - Intro

00:01:57 - How Mark’s Time at Apple Shaped His Vision for Secure, User-First AI

00:06:06 - Why Verifiable AI Matters for Protecting User Data

00:07:38 - The Privacy Threats of Centralized AI Models

00:15:26 - What Maple AI Does That Other AI Tools Don’t—End-to-End Encrypted, Verifiable Privacy

00:17:30 - The Threat Models Maple Addresses and How Enclaves + Attestation Work

00:19:51 - Why Inference Speed and Efficiency—Not Open Weights—Are the New AI Battleground

00:24:05 - Where Decentralized AI Fits Into Today’s Landscape

00:25:12 - A Step-by-Step Guide to Getting Started with Maple

00:29:13 - How Users Change Behavior When They Trust the AI System

00:32:42 - The Risks and Critiques of TEEs—and How Maple Answers Them

00:37:35 - Which Professions Benefit Most from Private AI

00:45:27 - Mark’s Vision for Verifiable, Private AI Over the Next Decade

Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.

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