# 574 - Peter Atencio & Cale Boyter (The Machine Director/Producer)
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The Story of Kale
The movie is based on a conversation Mary and Kale had about their dads. Kevin brought that to the table 100%. He pitched that you me, Mary, on that call. That's just changed everything. And then it became so much about like, that brought the character journey into light. "I don't think anyone is expecting this to be the movie we're making now," she said.
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