I'm just making an empirical observation at one of the things that i think makes you uneasy and makes me uneasy. Maybe what we ought to be learning from this is that tribalism and religion are just necessary thar there they're they're baked into human nature. And that if we we try to overcome them, as as liberals,. in the united states and in europe, have been doing for a few generations, it's not going to happen. That actually is really, is really frightening. I know you don't like it either. Let me try this angle on your rest. Tell me if you buy it.
Traditions and norms can seem at best out-of-touch and at worst offensive to many a modern mind. But Israeli computer scientist and Talmud scholar Moshe Koppel argues that traditions and norms--if they evolve slowly--create trust, develop our capacity for deferred gratification, and even, in the case of how we prepare cassava, protect us from poisoning. Listen as the author of Judaism Straight Up: Why Real Religion Endures talks with EconTalk Russ Roberts about tradition, religion, tribalism, resilience, and emergent order.