FBI Files and the Newton-Gebauer Case

Our American Alchemists this week are Scott and Suzanne Ramsey, the husband-and-wife research team who have spent decades chasing the truth behind the Aztec, New Mexico UFO crash.

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Scott and Suzanne have interviewed dozens of firsthand witnesses, tracked down FBI files, and traced a decades-long smear campaign that got Aztec branded a "hoax" — even though it may be one of the most thoroughly documented UFO crash retrievals on record. In this episode, we take the Ramseys' research directly to Hart Canyon, where witnesses described a 100-foot craft, 16 alien bodies, and a Baptist minister called in to pray over the dead. We dig into the FBI documents, the CIA-linked debunker who tried to bury the story, and the string of researchers who died just as they got close to the truth.

Learn more about Scott and Suzanne Ramsey's research and get their new book, It Came to Earth at Aztec, New Mexico Revealed: The Recovery of a UFO - https://www.theaztecincident.com/

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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 - Introduction

5:30 - Meet the Ramseys

6:17 - How Scott found the case

8:38 - Arriving in Aztec

9:35 - Why the town stayed quiet

11:32 - How many witnesses

12:19 - March 24, 1948: Cuba, New Mexico

13:31 - Valentine Archuleta sees it come down

15:49 - Doug Noland and the saucer on the mesa

17:23 - More witnesses arrive

20:39 - Inside the craft

21:24 - Sponsors (Dose)

22:59 - The bodies

23:50 - Solon Brown, Baptist minister

24:59 - A helicopter in 1948

26:12 - The military takes the mesa

29:48 - Scientists study the craft

31:51 - Moving the craft off the mesa

35:03 - Erasing the retrieval team

38:04 - Fred Reed re-landscapes the site

40:24 - The marble found at the site

41:02 - Part two: Frank Scully

44:13 - J.P. Cahn

45:33 - Silas Newton

47:50 - Leo Gebauer's FBI file

49:10 - The 1953 fraud case

51:17 - What if they were set up

53:14 - George Koehler and the Denver lecture

54:08 - Newton as Scientist X

57:32 - Sponsors (Quo)

59:01 - Sponsors (Perplexity)

1:02:32 - John Torrence Tate

1:06:33 - The nine scientists

1:10:29 - The 4602d and UFOB reports

1:13:02 - Taken to Wright Field

1:16:36 - Could radar have downed it

1:21:07 - Jake Barber on microwave weapons

1:22:24 - The Hottel Memo

1:25:01 - Bill Steinman

1:30:01 - Chris Evans and Alice Scully

1:33:50 - A visitor at the crash site

1:38:24 - Cattle mutilations

1:40:35 - Testing the marble

1:47:10 - The break-in

1:50:03 - Credits and the Ramseys' book

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