Is There a God or a Trinity College?

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In the nineties, we did at issue with martin gardner, one of the modern sceptics. He said he believed in god and thought there might be an after lie if you can't prove that there isn't. I was talking to paul kurts about that once, and paul kurt said he doesn't really believe it, but he wants to believe it because he he wants there to be in after life. And so he's kind of convinced hat he tells himself that he believes it because it gives him consolation,. E, that was paul's summary of martin gardener's belief whic it's a bit different. i love kurt's book

In episode 205, Michael Shermer speaks with Richard Dawkins, the author of The Selfish Gene, voted The Royal Society’s Most Inspiring Science Book of All Time, and also the bestsellers The Blind Watchmaker, Climbing Mount Improbable, The Ancestor’s Tale, The God Delusion, and two volumes of autobiography, An Appetite for Wonder and Brief Candle in the Dark. He is a Fellow of New College, Oxford and both the Royal Society and the Royal Society of Literature. In 2013, Dawkins was voted the world’s top thinker in Prospect magazine’s poll of 10,000 readers from over 100 countries.

This episode is heavily edited because Dawkins was having trouble with his voice, and Shermer tried to speak a little more to give Dawkins a chance to let his voice rest.