I think there are triggers, right? And it's this is ideally the way that I handle these things. But sometimes we have to go like we have to do the thing that we don't love doing, but is a necessity of where we're at at the moment. We always like to talk about jobs and musks of the world and others who basically from the outside could be perceived to only have one method of doing this and they're highly successful at it. Management is a lot more about what we're talking about here on this podcast for 99.999% of all people who are going to do the job.

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