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Celebrity: A Modern Phenomenon
"Celebrity is relying on the tools of media, you know, starting with newspapers and radio and television," he says. "I think that's why celebrity is particularly toxic is that it can be such a covert form of making it about ourselves rather than about Jesus when we're talking about the church" He adds: "With fame, the point is not getting famous but doing good work in the world."