Keller joined me on the day his company, Zipline, announced their $150 million contract with the US State Department, which will include $400 million in co-commitments from their African partner governments. Rather than focus on the announcement, I grilled him on his career as a professional rock climber, and he even took me, a gym bro, climbing.

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