Alyssa: A lot of people get sucked into the normal way we view money, which is that all debt is bad. It's hard to conceptualize until you have to drastically change your life. I had the same sort of mindset around money as my sister and she has a completely different mindset about money than me. She was frugal living in an apartment that with a front door that didn't close because she wanted to get the cheapest rent possible. How did you break out of that? Oh, I'm still working through it. I have real. Scarcity, like it's neurological. It impacts your brain. So if you do have scarcity, if you grew up in

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