APOB is the thing that drives atherosclerosis. If you tell me you want to live to 100, you're going to need to keep your APOB below 30 milligrams per deciliter. So for somebody who let's say their total cholesterol is let's just stay with 200. What do you like to see in terms of the HDL LDL ratio? Couldn't care less. I only care about APOB.

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