The Role of Race in the Pandemic

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There was a relief fund for small businesses and restaurants that started at the beginning of the pandemic originally under the Trump administration. The Biden administration tried to shift it such that the order of priority was by who owned the business so that people of color and women were first in line. And then if the business owner was a white man they would sort of be at the end of a line.

Heather McGhee is an author and policy advocate with a focus on reducing inequality. She is Board Chair for the organization Color Of Change and a former CEO of the think tank Demos. McGhee is the author of The Sum of Us: What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together .

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Heather McGhee discuss why progress for one ethnic group need not come at the expense of another; how racial animus has been used in the past to divide Americans who share fundamental interests; and whether the recent focus on "race-sensitive" public threatens to reignite zero-sum competition between different racial groups.

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