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‘Captain America: Brave New World’ Is Marvel’s Rock Bottom. Now What?
The Big Picture
Hollywood Dynamics and Cultural Reflections
This chapter examines the intricate relationships and power dynamics among Hollywood figures, infusing cynicism and humor into their discussions. It also explores the cultural differences between American and British cinema, while sharing personal anecdotes and hints at upcoming podcast content.
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Speaker 3
Sure. And also is trying to like ruin this guy. Well, listen. Well,
Speaker 1
I'd go as much deeper than that in my opinion. Oh,
Speaker 3
okay.
Speaker 1
But I don't have any evidence to support those claims. So I will just say, examine the text and then think of the
Speaker 2
subtext. Did you examine the text? Did you read a lot of the court filings? I
Speaker 3
have read a lot of them. And I wouldn't want to be texting with him. But I just like the basic, I mean, like the text that Justin Baldoni claims is like, oh, he's so nice to me. It's like the most like obsequious, annoying, like fake obsequious, annoying, trying to get what I want. Like Hollywood thing of all time. So that's not a conversation I would want to be having. And
Speaker 1
I am taking no one's side in that circumstance. I'm just saying that there are powerful forces at work.
Speaker 3
Yes.
Speaker 1
What do you think about that? Like, Thunderbolt Ross? Akin to Red Hulks, certainly. Chris, thanks for coming on board
Speaker 2
this train with us. I thought it was going to be funnier. I thought I would be funnier about it, but then I got depressed. This was a solemn and angry episode of the big picture. I
Speaker 1
told you we should have flipped them. Yeah. I know we couldn't. We were pre-taping. Time and schedule and all sorts of things. Supporting Robert Wagner and his ability to participate in a draft episode, which is coming next week. Also next week, we'll be talking about Paddington in Peru and I'll be talking about what the desecration of that cinematic universe. Do you want to come tomorrow? To
Speaker 2
the movie? Yeah,
Speaker 3
with Mia Knox. I think
Speaker 1
I'm going to MJ Lunderman. Is it the same
Speaker 3
time? No, it's at 345.
Speaker 1
We'll also talk about another extended cinematic universe, Bridget Jones 4, Mad About the Boy. Yeah. That's the fourth film in the Bridget Jones story. And we're going to try. Christopher, have you read
Speaker 3
Bridget Jones? No. I
Speaker 1
don't know what think you're doing where like men of a certain age have read Bridget Jones. I don't know a single man who's read that book. But Chris is like enlightened,
Speaker 3
you know? No, he's not. Chris watches Lioness and jerks off. What are you talking about? Chris is not reading Bridget Jones. He's my brother. This is my literal brother. I don't know, but you know, he's an Anglophile. It's like, it's very charming.
Speaker 2
I'm sure you're right. That's fine. Yeah. I don't want to take anything away from what they've accomplished. It's the most
Speaker 1
apoplectic that you've been since
Speaker 3
you came back. Have you ever seen a Bridget Jones movie? No. What in the fuck is wrong
Speaker 2
with you? I'm sorry. I just haven't. I haven't. I haven't.
Speaker 3
Remember how you'd never seen Singing in the Rain until you watched it with Knox? Yeah, that was great. Okay. I, you know, that's fine. And
Speaker 1
you want the third chair. I think you have really weird expectations of men. Like it's something we should explore more deeply in the future. I
Speaker 3
don't know if it's like, are they weird or is it how everyone should be? And it's like, you're not.
Speaker 1
No, it's your fascistic tendencies that rise to the surface where you're like, this is how it is. And I will accept no other.
Speaker 3
Because I'm dealing with an entire society of men being like, this is how it is all the time. No, no, no, over here. This is how it is. We're doing an episode
Speaker 1
about Bridget Jones. Are
Speaker 3
we not? A secret. And couldn't read the book. It's very light reading. It's breezy.
Speaker 1
I didn't read whatever this Captain America movie was based on either. He's reading The Odyssey and Vineland. I am rereading Vineland. Book Club Vineland? Sure.
Speaker 3
But also, you could read Bridget Jones. You could read it tonight. You could read it
Speaker 1
yet. No. Okay. But we will talk about the movie on the show. And we're going to try to do something that might be a horrible idea and that might actually be offensive to Chris. But we're going to try to build the American-British movie canon. That's okay.
Speaker 2
I feel like you guys are really well suited to do it. What Americans
Speaker 1
think are great British movies in the 21st century. I'm
Speaker 3
sure also that all of our British listeners will be thrilled by this. They'll
Speaker 1
want to assassinate us, but it's okay. We'll have fun. Well, don't spoil it.
Speaker 2
But that's what we're talking about. Yeah. American guys being like, Snatch is really good. That's a thing.
Speaker 1
That will be like what I can contribute, but I think Amanda has a lot more text. I think also
Speaker 3
American women being like Bridget Jones Diary starring an American. I want
Speaker 2
you to know that I respect them. In my administration, they will have a seat at you would kind of be charmed by the book. I think I would be too. It's not like I'm not trying to be a dick. I literally barely can make it through like Mike Sandoz six takeaways from a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3
It's written in diary entry form. Like you actually could get through this.
Speaker 1
Yeah. I think the Turner Diaries is written similarly. I'm I I
Speaker 3
appreciate I went to this fucking Marvel movie 40 minutes early. Yeah. you're an idiot. And I didn't even say anything. I was like, I guess Sean is going to be a psycho. The one time you
Speaker 1
piped down and you should have said something. I was
Speaker 3
trying to be supportive. I was meeting you. I was very surprised
Speaker 2
that you weren't like, let's get a dessert.
Speaker 3
Where you were. I know, but I thought he was like being so crazy. And I was like,
Speaker 2
I just didn't
Speaker 3
know. I got invited to Wood Ranch. Like, this is like Sean time. I'm going to do it. I don't understand why Wood Ranch was Chris's idea. It was a good idea. I don't, like that's fine. So I met you where you were. What does it matter if I read
Speaker 2
Bridget Jones? Just don't be a dick. You guys should save this for the Bridget Jones episode. Well, Yossi will be here so we won't be this fervid. Oh, you guys don't really fight in front of Yossi? We're
Speaker 1
working up to it. I
Speaker 3
mean, it's Newark, you know? Okay.
Speaker 1
Well, great job, everybody. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work and for staying until 4.49 p.m. on a Wednesday. Jack, thank you. This is a double session. This is
Speaker 2
all time you get back tomorrow, brother. Thanks
Speaker 1
to our producer, Robert Wagner. What's future Jack
Speaker 2
going to do with his life?
Speaker 1
Maybe he should check out an early screening of Captain America Brave New World. Thanks for listening along and watching this show. And have you been watching The Big Picture on YouTube?
Speaker 2
Yes. And what do you think? Good experience? It's a good experience. Did you know The Watch is on platform, on video, on Spotify? I did because I listened
Speaker 3
to The Watch. We are coming to the
Speaker 1
Spotify platform soon. Okay. I can't say when. Join me. It may be.
Speaker 3
The Spotify Cinematic Universe. How does that affect my data saving? I
Speaker 1
don't know the answer to that question and I won't even try to answer it. But we will see you next week.
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