What's the Difference Between Staff to Student?

The ministry doesn't stop when you walk out those doors that a movement is that those people feel empowered to take what they learn and teach other people. That's one of the signs of a movement so Paul I want to slip that in there before you. We're actually hoping to have Rick Warren on one of these podcasts. Jason, how do we help ministries all of the US all the world to really become where it becomes marginalized that ownership that responsibility?