I think it's always or almost always a really good idea to have the idea that and the concept that you're working towards that you're going to hand over the stick. So can you talk about that technique for a moment? I mean, I like that idea. It seems like something about kind of getting the drawing started, helps the interview subject, understand what your question really means or where you're coming from. And so the outside as well as a facilitator is to get all this started and happening,. meaning is one part of it. Starting a conversation is another and perhaps nudging it in a certain direction if that's a desire.

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