The next layer of end jobs is not just like managing these surface level programs but really setting up the tooling and systems to scale these things broadly through better analytics data capturing reporting. And then yeah just certain some core tools to automate a lot of the work that needs to happen. Well, Brian thanks for that answer and we've covered so much in this episode. It's really fun I love talking about this stuff hopefully that comes across.
In this episode Abi Noda speaks with Ryan Atkins, Asana’s Head of Engineering Operations. They talk about the role of EngOps and when it’s needed, founding an EngOps team, how these teams work in large companies, and more.