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The Nateland Podcast
How to Be a Successful Magician
"It's when it comes out of nowhere. And you're just like, I don't know how much Ella can and the fugitive does it," he says. "I did full time magic and yelled at by clown or two that I say." He adds: "After that, I was like, I didn't think I wanted to do it".
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