I was somebody who at you know age 17 or 18 before I had any real experience with MDMA or LSD or psilocybin if you had taught me how to meditate at that point I think I would have just bounced off the whole project. For many of us certainly for me psychedelics were indispensable in the beginning improving to me that this was the the first person interrogation of the mind was worth doing. The higher dose you take of these drugs the more you you know at lower doses everything can kind of seem the same at higher doses they begin to diverge and we can talk about the the pharmacology if you wanted to.

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