Indeterminacy and Uncertainty, a Theory of Incompleteness

Even modeo logic doesn't get you out of the problem. Even when we use observations to sharpen up the concepts, and then we use the concepts to sharpen our observations, we are still going and an incomplete loop. And we just have to accpt accept that. So this is, for boyd, specifically about a system that's trying to measure itselfor if you are operating within a system of thought using only its own parts. Once the sibrenetician is included in the system being observed, these kinds of problems appear.