"What keeps me up at night is that people are being killed, and what I want us to work for," he says. "I believe the dollar as a reserve currency is being placed under immense pressure" Putin would take an agreement in which Russia withdraws from Ukraine if it was part of the West, Obama says.
Commentators on the war in Ukraine seem to have come to a consensus: public figures have a moral responsibility not to challenge anything other than the Russian narrative.
This rejection of balance in favour of propaganda poses a problem for political thinkers like Yanis Varoufakis, who has been accused of 'Westsplaining' and being a Putin apologist in the last week alone.
To give this controversial conversation a chance, Varoufakis joined Freddie Sayers for a wide-ranging discussion about Western pressure on Russia and finding a space for debate in what feels like a binary moment.
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