i wanted to talk a little bit about the incommensurability. Bcause he goes to quite an extreme view, in my opinion, when he talks about the inability tofor people from these two paradimes to not only com with each other, but even see the same things. So he actually, he he borders on a kind of view that even visual perception, backs away a little bit from it,. But he says like two people from these two different perspectives, looking at the exact same thing, aren't seeing the raw precept; they're seeing something different based on their background set of beliefs. He tries to use the cognsom work in visual perception and cognitive psychology of visual